Harry Potter fandom...

[salienne]

...is completely freaking batshit.

Deathly Hallows is apparently JKR's way of dealing with her self-hatred and the death of her mother, especially in the supposed mistreatment of Snape.

Do these people read the same books I do? *Shakes head. Skitters back over to DW which, while often OTT, is not nearly as bad as HP*

Comments

[kirasha]

Well, I don't know about the self-hatred part. But the mother stuff was a comment JKR made in one of her first interviews after DH was released. The Snape connection was left out, but she admitted to using the series as a way of working through her mother's death.

[salienne.livejournal.com]

Hmmm... that's interesting. I should look me up some of those interviews.


But I still don't buy that her treatment of Snape signified any sort of Freudian transference about her feelings of her mother. Nor do I think she hated him in any sort of way, or that she treated him unfairly, or that he was soomehow the symbol of her mother's death, etc. etc. That's just... taking fandom a little too far, methinks.

If you really want to see what sparked this, just go look at fandom wank. While they themselves are often rather batshit, they do highlight the extremes of fandom pretty darn well.

[kirasha]

Oh dear. Anything originating at Fandom Wank frightens me. ;-)

But yeah, I doubt Snape was a transference of her feelings over her mother, too. She didn't like him as a character, and I don't think she completely understood the character she created, but a stand-in for her feelings about her mother? Nah.

[salienne.livejournal.com]

Well it doesn't quite originate there so much as they point it out. They're only really a problem when thy perpetuate the wank, which they seem to be doing with Doctor Who, but eh.

Really? I got the impression that, as a character, she really liked him. I think I read interviews that said as much, but I could be making that up. As a person, though, she really would dislike him. Who wouldn't? (It's like me with Hamlet. I love him as a character, but at the same time, I want to punch him in the face. O:) )

Whether or not she fully understood him, I think we disagree there, though. :P From a writing standpoint, I just can't see her being able to write everything she did without understanding him, and especially not with all the depth she gave him.

[kirasha]

eh, I just tend to avoid anything that seems wanky. State my opinion, move on. ;-)

I don't know if she ever stated whether she liked him or not clearly, but I've always gotten the impression she didn't the way she always seems so surprised to find out fans like him. *shrug*

*chuckle* fair enough. I probably wouldn't have an opinion to be honest, if she hadn't opened her mouth and said he couldn't be a hero because he wasn't a nice man. heh.

[salienne.livejournal.com]

I usually just ignore it... works out better that way. :P Still kind of fun to read from the sidelines periodically, though.

Really? I just read part of an interview where she admits that Snape is a hero of a sort, though for the life of me I can't find it. I think it was from an early one?

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

the book was crap and everything she says contradicts herself

[salienne.livejournal.com]

I completely disagree with you in every way, but we are each entitled to our opinions. :P

[neytaritook.livejournal.com]

Hehe, I love you (unless you think HBP was less crappy. Then I'd have to disagree ;-) Actually, I don't think DH was total crap...Just the epilogue and pairing and some of the idiotic deaths) <3

[salienne.livejournal.com]

I disagree with you as well. :P

Though you have to admit, Snape=self-hatred associated with her mother's death? Come on! You can dislike what happens in a book/to the characters, but you have to be somewhat nuts to take it that far...

And I'm procrastinating on studying. Wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee XD

[neytaritook.livejournal.com]

Friendly disagreements rule :-D

Oh yeah, I think that theory or whatever is ridiculous.

Me too! Weeee!!!

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

Well, the epilogue is something every single one agrees on. So far I haven't seen anyone saying they liked it.

Actually, the last 2 books were a shitload of crap. She changed everything and everyone to fit the final destination she had previously set. I guess she never expected her characters to get a life of their own (maybe it has more to do with the crappy writting of hers -don't confuse it with imaginaiton, because while her writting is really crappy, her imagination and creativity are fucking crazy/awesome). A lot of things she had to explain on interviews because she didn't make them clear on the books and with each interview she changed (because really, she said something different every time AND she just never agreed with the book lol)

[salienne.livejournal.com]

I liked the epilogue, so not every single person agrees with you.

Sorry, dear. :P

Oh, and random, but you were the one who wanted to be on OSK, yes?

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

well first time for everything i guess.

yeah that's me :)

about the self hatred w/e, i don't see that being too far fetched, a LOT of things on the book portrays her life and her experencies. JKR potrays herself as Hermione, Ron is the guy she used to date when she was younger, who was a great friend but not fun at all to date, and Harry is her husband, and no, I'm not making this up, it came from her own mouth. The Potter name came from this family whose kids she used to play with, her parents met on the station, like Harry and Ginny (tho Harry and Ginny's meeting is so unimportant), etc, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

RE: OSK

(I just want to know to see if I should be trying to figure out how to vouch for someone @_@)

[salienne.livejournal.com]

And that was me... not logged in... spamming my own lj. wheeeeeeee

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

yay for more random comments.

I think there is a link to the vouching post on the com info.

[neytaritook.livejournal.com]

Icon = Made of win!!!

I'm crafting an epilogue to the epilogue. In which Harry wakes up next to Hermione and it was all a dream :-D (the epilogue, that is)

Her problem is she is way too controlling of her characters. I actually think her writing is fine, it's just that she won't let the story and characters go where they want to. She has to nail them down, and it's really obvious when she does. She needs to read Stephen King's book "On Writing" as well as reader response articles (the irony is King is a big fan. Senility kicking in? Can't he see that she's breaking all his rules? Or maybe he doesn't care cause her imagination is fantastic).

She shouldn't explain anything. She can say what she thinks, what her opinion is, but she needs to stop trying to force her interpretation on the rest of us. If it isn't in the books, it isn't cannon :-D :-D :-D The stuff that's left open is for us the readers to make sense of. Imo.

[wickedandcruel.livejournal.com]

the brilliance of the icon is because the words came out of her own mouth. You can see her contradicting herself right there.

I guess the reason I find her writting just an acceptable level is because i read way too much and I'm really picky lol (and really, she isn't that great. I have seen fanfic writters with way more graps of her own story, and way more talent to write)

Actually, she did let the chracters and the story tell themselves up to book 6, but it's like I said, she started lining them up and putting them in place for the ending she had already done, which was her biggest mistake.

The stuff that's left open is for us the readers to make sense of

Tell her that!!! ahahaha Now that the series is done she should just shut up. Her coming out with Dumbledore being gay was sooooooooooo out of nowhere. "Oh btw, Dumby is gay. k?"

Before you know it she'll be in another interview saying Harry and Draco had a make out session, just for... you know, curiosity.